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	<title>Comments on: William F. Buckley, Jr. and the Pleasures of Pomposity</title>
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		<title>By: Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being pompous is funny ON PAPER. In real life, I don't like making people feel dumb. And I also spell horribly, which sort of diminishes my ability to dazzle people with my pomposity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being pompous is funny ON PAPER. In real life, I don&#8217;t like making people feel dumb. And I also spell horribly, which sort of diminishes my ability to dazzle people with my pomposity.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyrl, I think the distinction between when this style is "healthy" and when it isn't is determined by our willingness to subject ourselves to our own pillory.  Skewering flaws and intellectual blunders in others is qualitatively different when we also skewer those same flaws in ourselves.  

The author of the biblical book of Proverbs, for example, had no problem calling a fool a fool.  If all such authorial displays are unhealthy, than much of the Bible is really, really bad for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyrl, I think the distinction between when this style is &#8220;healthy&#8221; and when it isn&#8217;t is determined by our willingness to subject ourselves to our own pillory.  Skewering flaws and intellectual blunders in others is qualitatively different when we also skewer those same flaws in ourselves.  </p>
<p>The author of the biblical book of Proverbs, for example, had no problem calling a fool a fool.  If all such authorial displays are unhealthy, than much of the Bible is really, really bad for us.</p>
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		<title>By: lyrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminded me of a couple of "Et Tu?" Jen's writings:  &lt;a href="http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/11/i-am-that-idiot-on-cell-phone.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;her evolving views on cell phone usage&lt;/a&gt;, and some reflections on the &lt;a href="http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/09/sugar-pill-and-real-thing.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;positive effects of Christianity on her outlook&lt;/a&gt;.  In the second link, she says of her pre-Christianity days: &lt;blockquote&gt;I liked being prideful, cynical and irritable. It's just who I was (and, most importantly, it made for good blog posts on my old blog)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While the kind of writing described in Veronica's post is entertaining, I don't know that it's healthy for either the writer or the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminded me of a couple of &#8220;Et Tu?&#8221; Jen&#8217;s writings:  <a href="http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/11/i-am-that-idiot-on-cell-phone.html" rel="nofollow">her evolving views on cell phone usage</a>, and some reflections on the <a href="http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/09/sugar-pill-and-real-thing.html" rel="nofollow">positive effects of Christianity on her outlook</a>.  In the second link, she says of her pre-Christianity days:<br />
<blockquote>I liked being prideful, cynical and irritable. It&#8217;s just who I was (and, most importantly, it made for good blog posts on my old blog)</p></blockquote>
<p>While the kind of writing described in Veronica&#8217;s post is entertaining, I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s healthy for either the writer or the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veronica,

  You should read what Christopher Buckley wrote about his father in National Review after he passed away.  It will indeed convince you that WFB was driven in everything not just in his opinions (the "Captain Crunch" nick name about WFP will have you laughing).    WFB was a very humorous man and had a creative side as a father that Az would appreciate.   The other thing you will learn is that he was a very gracious man in his interactions with people who did not share his beliefs.  Gracious and "omnicompetence".  It's easy to miss the graciousness in his responses to readers trying to pull his chain.  

  I  do not classify Rush in the same league with WFB.  While both advocate conservative positions, Rush is a populist and an entertainer first.    Are you sure about wife #3?  I thought he as on wife #2.   I could be behind the times in Afghanistan :)

  Having been a subscriber (on and off) to NR over the last 20 years, NR is a much better read than any of the opinion journals on the left.  It generally provides facts over shrill attacks on their political opponents so I'd question your comments about the "the next article might be a political screed listing and attacking the beliefs of unquoted -ists and -isms, full of straw man arguments tendentious enough to make my eyes bleed."  In 20 years I didn't find very many articles I'd put in that category (I know we draw a different line in the political sand).  I am sure some did fall into that category, but NR generally took the high road in the political debate between the right and left.

  It is silly to acknowledge irrational positions as being worthy of debate.  WFB's "Firing Line" debate series punched numerous holes in many of those irrational ideas that the left likes to float.  Today the left's lies keeps Rush a well paid member of the entertainment "talk-radio" business.  
     

brother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veronica,</p>
<p>  You should read what Christopher Buckley wrote about his father in National Review after he passed away.  It will indeed convince you that WFB was driven in everything not just in his opinions (the &#8220;Captain Crunch&#8221; nick name about WFP will have you laughing).    WFB was a very humorous man and had a creative side as a father that Az would appreciate.   The other thing you will learn is that he was a very gracious man in his interactions with people who did not share his beliefs.  Gracious and &#8220;omnicompetence&#8221;.  It&#8217;s easy to miss the graciousness in his responses to readers trying to pull his chain.  </p>
<p>  I  do not classify Rush in the same league with WFB.  While both advocate conservative positions, Rush is a populist and an entertainer first.    Are you sure about wife #3?  I thought he as on wife #2.   I could be behind the times in Afghanistan <img src='http://toddleddredge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>  Having been a subscriber (on and off) to NR over the last 20 years, NR is a much better read than any of the opinion journals on the left.  It generally provides facts over shrill attacks on their political opponents so I&#8217;d question your comments about the &#8220;the next article might be a political screed listing and attacking the beliefs of unquoted -ists and -isms, full of straw man arguments tendentious enough to make my eyes bleed.&#8221;  In 20 years I didn&#8217;t find very many articles I&#8217;d put in that category (I know we draw a different line in the political sand).  I am sure some did fall into that category, but NR generally took the high road in the political debate between the right and left.</p>
<p>  It is silly to acknowledge irrational positions as being worthy of debate.  WFB&#8217;s &#8220;Firing Line&#8221; debate series punched numerous holes in many of those irrational ideas that the left likes to float.  Today the left&#8217;s lies keeps Rush a well paid member of the entertainment &#8220;talk-radio&#8221; business.  </p>
<p>brother</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Durr.  Rationale.  You knew that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durr.  Rationale.  You knew that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the willingness to acknowledge that the other point of view might have some valid arguments, concerns, or rational is a trait I wish more people (especially politicos) would nurture.  

It (the willingness to concede that the other side just might have some validity) leads to more thoughtful discussion and less ranting.  And good heavens, we could all use less ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the willingness to acknowledge that the other point of view might have some valid arguments, concerns, or rational is a trait I wish more people (especially politicos) would nurture.  </p>
<p>It (the willingness to concede that the other side just might have some validity) leads to more thoughtful discussion and less ranting.  And good heavens, we could all use less ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that friends episode?  Where Phoebe gets Ross to say that maybe perhaps possibly there is a smidgeon of a chance that evolution isn't a reality?   That's what this conversation reminds me of.

I can't read or listen to pundits.   They're so willing to follow their argument to illogical ends.  Even if you know they must know that their argument breaks down at some point, they aren't willing to concede it, ever.  And it makes me nuts. 

I know what you mean about the confidence though.  I sometimes wish I had the ability to just put it out there and not worry about what people were going to say to or about me as a result.  I don't like having to defend my opinions.  It's not that I don't have the confidence in my knowledge, it's more that it's just plain old upsetting.  I'm thin-skinned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that friends episode?  Where Phoebe gets Ross to say that maybe perhaps possibly there is a smidgeon of a chance that evolution isn&#8217;t a reality?   That&#8217;s what this conversation reminds me of.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t read or listen to pundits.   They&#8217;re so willing to follow their argument to illogical ends.  Even if you know they must know that their argument breaks down at some point, they aren&#8217;t willing to concede it, ever.  And it makes me nuts. </p>
<p>I know what you mean about the confidence though.  I sometimes wish I had the ability to just put it out there and not worry about what people were going to say to or about me as a result.  I don&#8217;t like having to defend my opinions.  It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t have the confidence in my knowledge, it&#8217;s more that it&#8217;s just plain old upsetting.  I&#8217;m thin-skinned.</p>
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		<title>By: JulieC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think I'd want a real-life friend with this level of pomposity.  I don't think I could stay friends with them for very long.  BUT, it is so fun to read when I don't have to live with them, or know any of the people they are dismantling.

Signing the responses with the calm "Cordially," just makes them funnier to me somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d want a real-life friend with this level of pomposity.  I don&#8217;t think I could stay friends with them for very long.  BUT, it is so fun to read when I don&#8217;t have to live with them, or know any of the people they are dismantling.</p>
<p>Signing the responses with the calm &#8220;Cordially,&#8221; just makes them funnier to me somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I will concede that continued smugness does not a good husband make.  Or, at least continued smugness without any grain of selflessness.

And I don't think either of them was putting on "just" a show, but there is a certain lightness to their demeanor (can writing have a demeanor) that makes me able to take the potential insufferablity with a grain of salt.

AND, I don't have to live with either, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I will concede that continued smugness does not a good husband make.  Or, at least continued smugness without any grain of selflessness.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think either of them was putting on &#8220;just&#8221; a show, but there is a certain lightness to their demeanor (can writing have a demeanor) that makes me able to take the potential insufferablity with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>AND, I don&#8217;t have to live with either, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimberly, smugness can be good theater, but that doesn't always mean that the performer is just performing.  I can almost believe that Buckley was just putting on a show, but you will never convince me of the same about Rush.  The man has had three wives for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimberly, smugness can be good theater, but that doesn&#8217;t always mean that the performer is just performing.  I can almost believe that Buckley was just putting on a show, but you will never convince me of the same about Rush.  The man has had three wives for a reason.</p>
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